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#123152 - 07/25/08 06:02 PM Re: World Religions
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Originally posted by Ken:
Becoming a Christian is a conscious decision made later in life.
I wish! It seems to me that most people 'become' Christians because their parents didn't give them much choice in the matter.
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#123153 - 07/25/08 06:37 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
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Originally posted by knight_tour:
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Originally posted by Ken:
Becoming a Christian is a conscious decision made later in life.
I wish! It seems to me that most people 'become' Christians because their parents didn't give them much choice in the matter.
Guess I should define what I mean by "Christian". It is someone who has a personal relationship with Jesus as outlined in the Bible. Without that relationship, you aren't a Christian. People who feel they are Christian because their parents were Christian, or because they figure they're not Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist so must be Christian have muddied up the original, or at least the old, definition of Christian.

AT Ed, perpetual motion machines etc. Yes, hence the smiley face. However, if thousands or hundreds of thousands of people say they've invented the perp motion machine and that you're handsome, rich and a good chess player.... smile I will ask my friend what she means by cultural Jew then...she explained it way back then but I forget what she said now.

I wouldn't be so quick to say being a cultural Jew means nothing. She spent time in Israel and her sister married an Israeli and they've lived in Israel for decades raising their kids, and they're very religious. My friend's ideas about cultural vs religious Jews may not be straight from the horse's mouth, but I suspect we're in the stall.
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#123154 - 07/25/08 06:38 PM Re: World Religions
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#123155 - 07/25/08 06:47 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by inky.:

No, CF...that is not G-d's work. It is the work of a devious group of Christians disquising themselves as Jews in order to trick Jewish people into believing in Jesus.

These people pretend they are Jews and only try to convert Jews. They do not live up to the ideals of Jesus at all. In fact, I am sure that they are not truly born again believing Christians and will not be saved, if in fact that is the criteria for going to heaven.
Those are pretty strong words, Inky.

Prove it! smile


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#123156 - 07/25/08 06:53 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by inky.:

Jews do not believe in Jesus. In fact, many feel that he did not even exist - even as a person.
Hmmm..., from what I see and read, there are many Jews who believe in Jesus. smile

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One can never believe in Jesus and be a Jew!
So, let me get this right, Inky.

Jesus Himself was a Jew; but, any person who actually believes in Jesus can NOT be a Jew?? confused

Uh, that makes no sense to me at all!


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#123157 - 07/25/08 06:56 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by Ken:

I disagree about some Christians being atheist. An atheist cannot be Christian and vice-versa. It is like saying the colour blue is green. You are not born Christian. Becoming a Christian is a conscious decision made later in life.
Very well said, Ken! up


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#123158 - 07/25/08 07:02 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by inky.:

Jews do not believe in Jesus. In fact, many feel that he did not even exist - even as a person.
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Originally posted by Petrosianic:

Surely you can believe he existed, can't you? I believe Muhammad existed, but am in no way, shape or or form a Muslim. Ditto for the Buddha. He was certainly a real person.
Indeed, the historical evidence that Jesus Christ existed is overwhelming.

In my opinion, the vast majority of people who believe that Jesus never existed are making that choice because they simply do NOT want to believe that Jesus ever existed, because, then, they do not have to face up to the ramifications that are involved in their lives if they actually DO believe that Jesus Christ did, indeed, truly exist as a Person.


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#123159 - 07/25/08 07:09 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by Ken:

Becoming a Christian is a conscious decision made later in life.
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Originally posted by knight_Tour:

I wish!
Do you really wish it was so, knight_Tour? smile

Well, it is, indeed, so!

And, it is a decision that *you* still have the opportunity of making as long as you have life here upon this mortal Earth.

However, the Bible warns that you should NOT wait too long to make that all-important decision to receive Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

The Bible says that TODAY is the day of salvation!

Indeed, tomorrow may be eternally too late for you to make that decision.


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#123160 - 07/25/08 07:12 PM Re: World Religions
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#123161 - 07/25/08 07:17 PM Re: World Religions
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Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by Ken:

Guess I should define what I mean by "Christian". It is someone who has a personal relationship with Jesus as outlined in the Bible. Without that relationship, you aren't a Christian.
Well, I could not have said that any better myself! up smile


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