Who speaks for the Pastafarians?

If he chooses not to act then I suppose the charge is manslaughter rather than murder.

By the same logic folks can claim that god could stop the human induced abortions, but chooses not to, so they are somehow consistent with god's plan. (And an analysis presented in Freakonomics suggests that we are experiencing less crime and poverty because of abortion. So maybe abortion is god's way of helping those souls avoid a hard life while simultaneously providing the rest of us a somewhat higher quality of life.)

I'm pretty sure that there's nothing in the bible that says that god is forbidden from using surgical abortion to achieve his goals.

So what? I'm sure that you believe that should you be murdered your soul will go straight to heaven--does that make it okay to kill you?

Wow, so it isn't necessary to be born again or anything like that...Either my salvation is assured or not by a decision made an epoch before we were born.

No idea. Maybe you could take a shot at it on their behalf 'cause I don't know if there is anyone else on this board to speak for them.

Look in the mirror CF...look in the mirror.

If you feel that I am looking down at you and being insulting towards your beliefs I would point out that I've treated you no differently than you have treated everyone here who believes differently than you.

I'm treating you just like you've been treating me since we began discussing religion. If you find my tone troubling them maybe you should take some time to reflect on your own rhetoric and the negative responses you frequently get.

Sure, you close with comments meant to sound humbling, but the bottom line is that each and every time you enter into a "theological discussion" you are in fact lording over whoever you speak to the fact that you are saved and they are not. That you are one of god's favorites and they aren't.

Honestly I don't really care much what you believe--I'm just irritated to no end by your tone and endless put-downs of my faith. If you want to be all smug and superior in your beliefs please do so quietly.

Everyone dies. Its easy to blame G_d for the evil and not give credit for the good. G_d gave us life to begin with so its odd that we should get angry that he doesn't give us more.

Spock I think your talking about fertilized eggs that don't implant with the 1/3 figure. Pro life will focus on the time right before birth pro choice will focus on the time right after conception.

What happens to the 1/3? Its hard to imagine they are all in heaven. But then again its hard to comprehend the numbers of people who live and die generally. Like Socrates I have learned to recognize my own ignorance. Its generally only the young and intellectually immature who think they can know it all.

Passages in the bible constantly challenge my thinking and morals. E.g.,What does it mean to "truly believe in Jesus" I tend to think it means you need to believe and therefore live by his message. But I tend not to dismiss much of what I hear.

I think its good that Christians are frank with each other and explain what they perceive as errors in others judgments. But no one should pretend they fully know who is and is not saved. That is for G_d. If I think its impossible to share heaven with someone maybe I am the one that heaven is not meant for.

No, spock, as usual, you mistake my total confidence in the Word of God and of my total confidence in the fact that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation for my somehow being "arrogant."


Chess Fan

Once again, spock, you mistake my *total confidence* in the truthfulness of the Word of God and what it says concerning the fact that born-again faith in the Lord Jesus Christ being the ONLY way of salvation for my being somehow "arrogant."

I do not "lord it over people" that I am saved and that they are not.

Indeed, I would just LOVE to see EVERY person here on this Message Board come to true salvation in Jesus Christ also!

Spock, my using the Word of God, (the Bible), to point out to you the errors of your faith is NOT "putting-down" your faith.

As far as my being so-called "smug" and "superior" in my beliefs, well, you mistake that for the fact that I am just so happy and thrilled to know the real TRUTH of what salvation is all about, and, I just want other people to know and to apply that same truth to their lives, also.


Chess Fan

And, I certainly do not "pretend to fully know who is and is not saved."

Indeed, ONLY God Almighty Himself knows the true heart condition of every single person.

However, the Bible clearly teaches that *every person* who does not have born-again faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is also *not* saved.


Chess Fan

Following your wording, you yourself do not know if you are saved.

Ed Yetman, III
YetmanBrothers.com