Radioactive dating: A Christian Perspective. A repost. An educational article from a Christian who says the evidence shows the earth is billions of years old and isn't the center of the universe.

hm, maybe he doesn't say the latter statement although he should because we have some speaker coming to town next week who will argue the earth is the center of the universe (among other things). His evidence is that if we look in all directions we see a similar number of galaxies in each direction. Ergo, we're in the middle of it.

I imagine if he were to sail across the ocean he would look out and see water in every direction and then claim he was at the center of the world. I want to go just to see if he still thinks the sun revolves around the earth (Bible says it does).

Hi CF, your message that I'm quoting was in another thread but I'm replying here so as not to take that other thread off-topic.

Thanks for your encouragement and I will report back from time to time. I'm really looking forward to it! However, just a little complaint... (you knew this was coming, right? ) You seem to have made the jump from 'Kevin and I disagree on matters of theology' to 'I'm glad Kevin is going to Bible College as I'm sure that will really help him get his doctrine sorted out'. Obviously you believe that your understanding of Christianity is correct (otherwise you'd change your views!) but a bit more grace would have been nice.

I've been a Christian for 14 years and in that time I've read the Bible quite a bit, read a lot of Christian books, heard a lot of sermons / talks at church meetings etc., and had lots of discussions with friends about things of the faith. This doesn't mean I'm right on everything. It doesn't mean I'm more right than you are. But it does mean I'm not some ignorant newcomer to Christianity and I'd be grateful if you could bear that in mind. Thanks, God bless you.

Extinct Eagle May Have Eaten Humans

Of course, they thought the Coelecanth was extinct too, so just in case, don't go out without a can of Eagle Repellent.

Just finished watching the NOVA series on PBS on the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial in Dover, PA, in 2004 on the teaching of intelligent design in Grade 9. Available for watching online.

SCK...you will really enjoy your courses, I think. It just opens up so many new areas to explore and learn about. Too many people just gargle at the fountain of knowledge so drink deep.

Thanks for putting that up. I went through the videos. Both sides presented very well!

Here is some of my thoughts.

They shouldn't have put a republican judge. Those judges must be under tremdrous pressure, but you can't put a democratic judge also. So it is no surprise the verdict went in favor of evolution, quoting old motive, lying under oath instead basing it on objective truths from the things argued. Of course both sides have motives - one side wants to take God out of the minds of students using science as tool, the others wants to keep God in school. Personally I would say christians shouldn't be fighting like this or they should have private schools?? The evolution fossil evidence was funny and it seems like he collected it from ripleys believe it or not museum of some of diseased animal and fossils made out of it!! I have no clue what Darwins Great Great Grandson has to do with all this! Ok so like say if tomorrow 2 wheelers, 3 wheelers and 4 wheelers go out fashion and gets buried under sand and new generation looks at it and says one came from the other but you know how it came about! The evolution theory is fine but they should also keep other view points for the benefit of students to work to refute the theory.

So if I were to give verdict, it would be

Either keep both evolution and creation OR keep them as optional subjects and students can choose either one. Either way, students should know there is a controversy surrounding these theories.

So you believe in Man from Monkey, Ken? Or Monkey from Man, one chromosome is less in Man you know. Somehow I thought you didn't believe in that??!!

Spock, I'll respond later.

Didn't read it though but is that the eagle that catches the guy who eats the bornville cadbury's chocolate not having earned the right to eat it saying it is all British mumbo jumbo??

"Of course both sides have motives - one side wants to take God out of the minds of students using science as tool, the others wants to keep God in school."

Neither of these is correct. The pro-evolution people may be shot through with atheists, but they are not all atheists. There are many theists, including Christians, in their number. They support evolution because it is good science, and they oppose creationism because it is not science.

On the other hand, the creationists come from a small set of fundamentalist Christians, almost to a man. They refuse to see that evolution is a science and that creationism is not a science, but a Biblical claim. They do not want to put "God" in the schools; they want to use the schools to promote their own vision of Christianity at the detriment of other schools of Christianity, not to mention other religions. They are not a whole lot different from the Taliban.

I don't. Man from Monkey is a creationist misrepresentation of human evolution. I recall mentioning this before.

Yes, I do know it is one chromosome less. This is mentioned in the NOVA episodes of the trial too.

24 pairs of chromosomes in chimpanzees,gorillas and orangutans, and 23 pairs in humans. If we shared a common ancestor with these apes we should also have 24 chromosomes. So where did it go? This would be a serious blow to our understanding of evolution. We cannot just lose a chromosome pair. That would be fatal.

The only other explanation is that the two separate chromosomes are still there, but they fused into one chromosome.

Evolution makes this prediction, and this prediction is testable. Indeed we find that human chromosome #2 is fused together. This powerful evidence for common ancestry was crushing for ID in the trial because it demonstrates we had a common ancestor. See video here, and written info here and here, as well as being explained on the original Nova series.

This evidence cannot be reconciled with special creation unless you want a designer who made it look like we have two ape chromosomes fused together. The Deceitful Designer theology.

Ken, I know the common ancestry was brought up by the evolution side during the trial. That is why I once again asked what was your take on that. So you are saying Man didn't necessarily come from Monkey but something like both Man and Monkey came from a species called say "Mankey!"?? I don't know how much of a difference would that be.

Again there was nothing crushing there!! Nothing was asked in the trial about the authenticity of the fossils. With so much of assumptions behind it, a radioactive dating cannot even stand in a court of trial and how come the evolutionists came up with an age for the fossil?!! Court considers placing a fish, an deformed or intermediate looking extinct species, an amphibian a proof for one species evolving from another? Refuting irreducible complexity is another funny thing. So natural selection was trying to create a mousetrap but failed to accomplish that and in that process it could only put together the clip and it became a tie clip?? Mouse trap is designed and created for a purpose! And tie clip is designed and created for entirely different purpose!! Anyway. What was ACLU doing? I believe it was there if I remember correctly from the videos. For these kind of trials I believe the verdict would be decided beforehand. I believe the republican judge was an attempt to pacify the creationists and the verdict in favor of evolution was to pacify the evolutionists!

So I think we can't read too much from this trial.

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