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#136798 - 11/07/08 02:33 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Petrosianic]
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Ninja
Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
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Sachbinger...bad news (or good news depending on what you actually said about Billy Graham) but I have discovered he can't be the Antichrist. That title has been claimed Some snippets. The Antichrist Through the Ages Tim Appelo Published on December 08, 2004 Dec. 8, 187 B.C. Syrian/Greek invader despot Antiochus IV butchers a pig on an altar to Zeus in the Temple. He calls himself "Epiphanes," or God/Zeus Made Flesh; Jewish comics dub him "Epimanes," or the Crazy Bastard. He inspires the proto-Antichrist in the Bible's book of Daniel. Circa 64 A.D. Roman Emperor Nero...plays God, blames Christians for Rome's fire, and has them covered with beast skins and devoured by dogs. He inspires the Beast in Revelation. Possibly, Christians got blamed because they believed Rome's burning would herald Christ's return—some may have rejoiced, arousing suspicion. [Nothing new under the sun indeed!!  --kc] Third Century Church father Origen interprets Revelation, and perhaps prophesies Bush press conferences by defining the Antichrist as "every word that pretends to be the truth when it is not." Circa 950 Millennium fever propels the first Apocalypse best seller, Adso of Montier-En-Der 's Letter on the Origin and Time of the Antichrist, popularizing the idea of the Beast as the Final Tyrant who seizes Jerusalem, tortures and desecrates holy places, and dies on the very spot where Christ ascended to heaven. 1200s Pope Innocent III calls for a Crusade, and thinks maybe Muhammad is the Antichrist. 1520 At first, Luther pooh-poohs Revelation: "Christ is not known or taught in it." Then he decides it reveals the pope as "the true Antichrist." Late 1500s Luther's followers insist there are two Antichrists: the pope and the Turk. 1869 Philadelphia pastor Joseph Seiss says Napoleon III is the Antichrist. 1840s John Nelson Darby creates "dispensational premillennialism," recasting biblical apocalypse literature as a secret code now revealed to us by him. Bush fundamentalists—and very possibly Bush himself—base their whole lives on this unholy scripture. [this was labelled as heresy and condemned by churches at the time. Guess those 19th century preachers/followers were better educated in the Bible and/or critical thinking than many of todays' preachers/follwers.-kc] 1970s to '80s Hal Lindsey, author of the Revelation best seller The Late Great Planet Earth, proposes Khomeini, Sadat, and Arafat as Antichrist candidates. 1982 Prophecy teacher Mary Steart Relfe nominates Kissinger, Sadat, Pope John Paul II, and Juan Carlos of Spain, but decides Sadat is the real Antichrist. 1988 Robert Faid notes that his funny forehead obviously reveals Gorbachev has the Mark of the Beast. 1999 Jerry Falwell says the Antichrist is a Jewish male alive today. In that link above, the author also has a link to another one of his essays which examines the thoughts and motivations behind GWB as the Antichrist. Worth reading. Aside from Nero as the AC we pretty much have every Pope, Peter the Great, and John F. Kennedy (who it is said had 666 votes during the 1956 Democratic convention). And as mentioned earlier there's lots of 'evidence' that GWB is the AntiChrist (Google it and see what people thought when he was running for office. He's out now, but based on all that 'evidence' I don't think we can rest easy till he dies....to be safe don't let him travel to Jerusalem! Oh, can't forget Hitler and Stalin and Bill Gates in the AC list too). And I checked to see if anyone thought Obama was the Antichrist. No surprise there. (Google that too...I don't want to post a link to what is essentially hate literature spewed by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing). Among the "brilliancies" contained in that site it says the Antichrist is Muslim (the equally erudite Falwell disagrees...he's Jewish, of course), and get this bit of cherry-picked** 'evidence'...the Illinois (Obama's state) pick-3 evening winning lottery number for the election day was 666!! LOL! Of course the afternoon pick-3 winning lottery number was 779 (probably the next holiest number after 777, 999, and 333) but let's ignore that fact (and others, including the Bible itself) that contradict his opinion. Final thoughts from Snopes.com In two millennia of playing "Pin-the-Tail-on-the-Antichrist" (as author Jonathan Kirsch characterizes it in A History of the End of the World), no one has ever won the prize. Either the game is rigged, or those playing it don't have a clue. Answer is obvious. If it [Obama=AC] wasn't intended as a political smear -- and we have no way of knowing, admittedly, what the true motivation of its author was -- we are entitled at the very least to conclude that this whisper campaign identifying Obama with the Antichrist is based in ignorance and fear. Ignorance, because the author knows next to nothing about the Biblical underpinnings of his or her claims (including the proper title of the Book of Revelation). Fear, because the author willingly foregoes reason for superstitious terror. And the Pin-the-tail-on-the-AntiChrist people have been substituting reason for superstitious terror for two millenia, and have been wrong every! single! time! **cherry-picked evidence = going around and only picking factoids that support your opinion and ignoring everything else that doesn't support your opinion. That way you can ignore the 99% and happily think that the 1% supports you. That's probably the reason the Darbyism heresy caught on so well in modern churches.
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#136799 - 11/07/08 02:42 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ken]
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Ninja
Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
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hmm, I can see I have to rethink the Obama=AC idea. Petrosianic's "thin racist" evidence seems to be as solid as the lottery number. But my vote is still with Hitler...I mean how can you argue with evidence like this: So Hitler was born exactly on 13 degrees East. It is Revelation 13 that is about the Antichrist. So 13 (as in Friday the 13th), and 666 are numbers connected with the Antichrist. And if you take the cosine of Hitler's birthplace coordinate of 48.25 N you have .666. This means that if the earth's radius is assumed to be 1, then at Hitler's birthplace the distance to the polar axis is .666. Also, note that Hitler was born on Easter, a fact that he saw as a sign of his destiny. And this Beginning with World War 1's beginning, about August 1, 1914, if you advance in intervals of 666 days:
3 x 666 days Jan., 1920. On January 10, 1920, the League of Nations was formed. 5 x 666: Sept. 1923. On September 1, 1923, an 8.9 earthquake struck Japan, devastating the Tokyo area. On November 8, 1923, Hitler's attempt to overthrow the Republican government was unsuccessful, but turned out to be a critical event in his rise to power in Germany. His trial and nine month imprisonment gained him fame, and he used this time to write his book. Note that five is a number associated with Satan-- the pentagon being a Satanic symbol, which certainly fits here. 10 x 666: Oct. 1932. In October 1932, Stalin was consolidating his hold on power in the Soviet Union by purging the competition, and the world was sliding into the Great Depression. 11 x 666: Aug. 1934. On August 2, 1934, with the death of Hindenburg, Hitler assumed the title of "Fuhrer", making himself absolute dictator of Germany. 12 x 666: June 1936. On July 31, 1936, Civil War began in Spain. 13 x 666: Apr., 1938. In March 1938, Austria was annexed by Hitler's Germany. Thirteen is considered to be an unlucky number, and Revelation 13 is about the Beast, the Antichrist. This was certainly an unlucky time in world history-- it was the year when Hitler's plans for expansion became clear, and it became obvious that Europe was headed for war, and indeed the red horsemen, war, was soon riding. For more fun with numbers see here and the 666 calendar
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#136807 - 11/07/08 07:17 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ken]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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My word, Ken - that is some scary stuff you've turned up! I'm just amazed at how baffling all this pin-the-tail-on-the-Anti-Christ stuff is to me, even though these folks and I call ourselves Christians. Predicting the end of the world is just not a part of my experience.
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#136811 - 11/07/08 08:44 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
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I think the scary stuff, Kevin, is when people in power take this stuff seriously and take it upon themselves to bring about the conditions which might herald the end of the world as interpreted through an unsound (not to mention unscholarly) doctrine. People precipitating a cataclysm because they believe it is predicted and a sign of the end of the world?? That is the scary part.
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#136812 - 11/07/08 08:45 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Well, I am sorry; but, 'ol Vishy certainly is NOT the "Master of the Universe": The REAL and TRUE Master of the Universe controls every breath that Vishy takes, and, every heartbeat that 'ol Vishy's heart beats!  Chess Fan
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#136813 - 11/07/08 09:00 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ken]
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Ninja
Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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I think the scary stuff, Kevin, is when people in power take this stuff seriously and take it upon themselves to bring about the conditions which might herald the end of the world as interpreted through an unsound (not to mention unscholarly) doctrine. People precipitating a cataclysm because they believe it is predicted and a sign of the end of the world?? That is the scary part. However, there IS sound doctrine from the Word of God, (the Bible), that tells us that the end of the world IS, indeed, coming, (and, maybe sooner than most people think!) Jesus Christ Himself said: "There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the Earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."
(The Gospel of Luke, Chapter 21, Verses 25 and 26) Chess Fan
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#136817 - 11/07/08 09:58 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 08/31/04
Loc: Doo-Wah-Diddy, Mississippi
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My word, Ken - that is some scary stuff you've turned up! I'm just amazed at how baffling all this pin-the-tail-on-the-Anti-Christ stuff is to me, even though these folks and I call ourselves Christians. Predicting the end of the world is just not a part of my experience. Predicting it is one thing, but when you start wishing for it, or worse yet, trying to make it happen faster, then I think you've ceased to be a Christian at all.
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#136828 - 11/08/08 03:14 AM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Petrosianic]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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Ken and Petrosianic - you are right that it is a level or two up on the scariness scale when people in power deliberately act to bring about what they thing are the conditions for Jesus' return.
I don't even understand this from a theological point view - my Bible states that Jesus himself and then the early Christians healed, blessed and encouraged people. The book of Acts is full of details of how the first Christians looked after each other in community, there's no mention (is there?) of Christians working to bring about the conditions for the end of the world. And this is in an era when many believed Jesus would return imminently, certainly within their lifetimes.
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#136834 - 11/08/08 10:41 AM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
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Something I've wondered is how instrumental were apocalyptic beliefs in the recognizing (or creation??) of the state of Israel? U.S. recognized it May 15, 1948 (one day after Ben-Gurion proclaimed the creation of Israel).
Was this an instance where those in charge at the U.S. believed the creation of the state of Israel was one of the steps in needed before the apocalypse (or at least the "rapture" as taught by Darbyists) would occur?
Are there any other instances where a country was divided by outsiders** and part of it given over to a group of people to create a separate state...and then this new state given immediate recognition of being a state by a super-power?
**I do realize the British were in the Palestinian region, and initially ejected (sometimes violently) any Jews who were caught trying to come into the region, and an underground smuggling network was set up to get Jews into their ancestral homeland.
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#136839 - 11/08/08 01:06 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ken]
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Ninja
Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Thankfully, the opinions of a certain un-saved, un-believer who posts regularly here in this topic thread concerning whether or not that a truly saved believer is a real Christian or not does NOT carry *any* weight at all in the eyes of Almighty God.  That poor boy is so *desperately, desperately wrong*, in not knowing that he is storing up wrath against himself for the day of the White Throne judgment of Almighty God, IF he dies in his present un-saved state of being. Chess Fan
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