I've known all along that Chess Fan isn't Jesus.

Crumhorn, with your words, "your god is not my God", you condemn yourself *with your very own words" at this present time!

Do you honestly think that those words of yours are going to "cut it" before a totally Holy and Righteous God on Judgment Day?

No, Crumhorn, the truth of the matter is, that, *every person* who dies and who stands before the Lord with their sins NOT forgiven are eternally doomed!


Maybe your "God" operates that way; however, the *One True and Holy God* very clearly says in His Word, (the Bible), that there is NO ONE who is good, no, not even one!!


Crumhorn, I am NOT worried about my eternal future, BECAUSE of the fact that there IS a God who has *totally forgiven* ALL of my sins in the past, the present, and the future!!

"All Praise Be To Him!!!!!"


Chess Fan

Chess Fan, must you repeat and repeat and repeat your view on God's judgement? I can see no good reason for doing so, except that you think it will help people on their way to becoming believers and followers of Christ. But look at the results - I don't see people warming to Christianity, rather I see people being put off by your warnings.

Some people have even gone as far as saying they think you rejoice in the prospect of people spending eternity in torment. Now I don't agree with those people, but I can see where they've got the idea from.

Under Mig's rules, I don't think your post (and all your other similar posts) counts as spam but it sure isn't polite and friendly. I know what you're thinking - the desperate situation of these people's souls calls for urgent warnings - but look at the results. I can only see people being switched off from Christianity by your input here.

Probably depends on what kind of observation it is. I can't see that I broke any forum rule. I wasn't flaming; my suggestion was totally sincere.

It's not such a terrible thing to need help once in a while, you know.

Your delusions run deep, there is no doubt. I would expect such a reply from a member of the Taliban, or Hamas...or you. Extremism is dangerous no matter which side you're on. So you're in good company CF. Just try not to blow up anything in the name of your vindictive God and everything will be fine. I'm sure the one and true God will forgive you your narcissism.

Incidentally, I'm hardly surprised that you failed to address my response to your previous post. It must be difficult to face the fact that you are likely wrong, not just about the signficance of the Book of Revelation, but about, well, everything.

Why, thank you, Crumhorn!!


Crumhorn, the reason why that I failed to address your previous post is because, in my opinion, *you* are wrong; but, the day IS coming when we will find out just WHAT is right concerning that Book of Revelation, eh, Crumhorn?!

Meanwhile, Crumhorn, because you are still mortally alive, I *know* that you are still able to, (hopefully very soon), see the Truth, and, to be eternally saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ!


Chess Fan

Progress! "In [your] opinion" I am wrong. Thank you.

Well, we do know he's wrong about Revelation at least. If you don't understand the cultural symbology you'll never understand Revelation. And even the experts don't fully understand all the symbology, much less those hacks who are out to sell sensationalist trash.

An example: In our culture "Dubya" means George W. Bush, WMD = weapons of mass destruction, the Eagle is a symbol of the U.S. So a sentence saying "In search for WMD Dubya will lead the Eagle to war" makes perfect sense to us, but how much sense will it make to someone 2,000 years from now?

Without spotty research they might come up with the following interpretation: The Eagle is referring to Apollo 11 as in "The Eagle has landed" so Dubya (probably the operator of the craft) will fly around looking for WMD (probably an acronym for a terrorist organization--e.g. Weinmark Modern Democrats--as German terrorists were a big problem in the late 60s although some authorities believe they had their start in the mid-40s when breeding experiments went awry and they tried to take over the world under a leader named Khan...or Hitler...history is unclear as to which).

We imagine the Eagle will be carrying nuclear bombs, or chemical weapons as the populace had a fear of chemical weapons because we've found old signs in many cities telling people what to do in event of a gas attack. Or perhaps WMD refers to a country instead because then it makes more sense to drop bombs or chemical gas on a country using the Apollo craft rather than members of a political party. Or perhaps WMD is where the political party meets and they want to gas them all at once???

That people think they have interpreted Revelation without the benefit of even shoddy scholarship is ludicrous. E.g. Reference to Babylon in Revelation is a reference to Rome. Reference to Abaddon is a reference to the ruler of the time just as surely as references to Dubya refer to G.W. Bush and not someone else like a future leader, devil, pope, etc. If in 2000 years someone thinks Dubya refers to a current leader they'll be wrong no matter how closely the sentence seems to match their current situation.

And a name substitute comes with attached baggage. The actual historical Babylon carried a whole lot of emotional weight for the Jews. The Jews were conquered and carried into captivity there, they sang songs about their lost land, they had to reinvent the very way they worshipped G-d because till then the temple and sacrifices were central to worship, and now they had no temple. That was a huge crisis for them and debates as how to interpret Mosaic law under these conditions went on for centuries (still do, I think).

Babylon symbolized a crushing, a loss of freedom, a blow to the very heart of their religion, a corrupt empire, but also it expressed a hope in that they did return from Babylon and reestablished their land and temple. To refer to Rome as Babylon was not just a name change but it came with many subtleties--loss of freedom in a corrupt empire but also a future hope in which they, the Jews, will outlast this current Babylon (Rome) just like they did the historical Babylon. So hang in there, folks, things are bad but they've been bad before and G-d will raise us up again, just like He did from the original Babylon.

@Kevin:

You say that; but, you also say *nothing at all* about Crumhorn's reply to me in his post on 21/01/09 at 10:12 A.M.?

Kevin, do you think that THAT post of Crumhorn's is "polite and friendly" to me?!


Chess Fan

Ken, you are funny, in that, you pick on me for my offering my "totally un-knowledgeable" opinions on things in the "Global Warming" thread, when you *do the very same thing* here in this "World Religions" thread, such as your most recent post here in your, uh, "educated short essay" on the Book of Revelation!!

Yeah, folks can "hang in there" all right; but, ultimately, Almighty God is *only* going to do the ultimate and the *very most important* raising up of those people who are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ!

But, Ken, your writings here in this thread ARE good for a few laughs!


Chess Fan