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#144788 - 04/27/09 07:00 PM Re: World Religions [Re: Chess Fan]
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Originally Posted By: Chess Fan
Ron Graham has some spiritual insight that he shares with Christians here in the following commentary piece, titled, "Christians, Conspiracies, Faith and Love."


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I agree. Good article!
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#144798 - 04/27/09 10:02 PM Re: World Religions [Re: PircAlert]
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And now, once again, here is Pastor Loran Livingston of the Central Church of God in Charlotte, North Carolina, preaching another timely message from the Word of Almighty God in a morning service from this past Sunday, April 26th, 2009.

The main Bible texts for this message are from The Book of Romans, Chapter 12, Verses 1 and 2, and, from Psalm 121, Verses 1 and 2.


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#144800 - 04/27/09 11:16 PM Re: World Religions [Re: PircAlert]
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Pirc.....So Ron Graham says not to run after people posing conspiracy theories and then poses his own?

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Certainly we can clearly see there’s a movement afoot to eliminate our US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.
Clearly?
And,
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Take a look at how the ungodly have infiltrated our government and its programs. These people are now pushing their evil attitudes and agendas to replace what was once a free country with new radical socialism. The left and centrist of this country are the antagonists that will stop at nothing to eradicate Christians and our beliefs from being a part of their new enlightened society.
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Someone owes me a new irony meter.

I half expected Godwin's Law to make an appearance in the 'eradication of Christians' paragraph.

The article comes fairly close to invoking Poe's Law too.

Incidentally, in that last quote replace "socialism" with "communism" and it sounds like something Senator Joe McCarthy said over 50 years ago. If you go back another 50 years you'll find the same rhetoric given by someone else too. And another 50 years, and another 50, and another......Keep predicting the same old things long enough and eventually the godless will topple the US (if the god-fearing don't do it first, that is).

A dynamic deep thinker this man is not. Sorry Pirc...hope you aren't a fan of his. A better person to read is Dr. Craig Lane and his Reasonable Faith website. Agree or disagree with him, at least he isn't a parody.

Second thoughts here: I don't think RG's article is any good, but his overall message may be right...that is, stop paying attention to various conspiracies designed to separate the fools from their money (or their fleece from their bodies) especially when the person promoting their theories has been wrong time and again. He missed it by that much...I'm sure he wept all the way to the bank.
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#144801 - 04/28/09 01:32 AM Re: World Religions [Re: Ken]
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Just doing some reading on false prophets. Guess who said the following.

Regarding the Jupiter Effect (1980)
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what we can expect in 1982 is the largest outbreak of killer quakes ever seen in the history of planet earth along with radical changes in climate.
No large outbreak of killer quakes. No sudden radical change in climate either.

1970
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Obviously, in context (Matthew 24:34), the generation that would see the signs-chief among them the rebirth of Israel. A generation in the Bible is something like forty years. If this is a correct deduction, then within forty years or so of 1948, all these things [raptures etc] could take place. Many scholars who have studied Bible prophecy all their lives believe that this is so.
But the 1980s came and went so...

2000
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My recent study of Daniel 9:24-27 has convinced me that the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 may be a more prophetically significant event than the rebirth of the nation.... <snip> ...the prophetic time-clock stalled in 1948, and did not resume again until the pivotal events on June 6, 1967, when for the first time in 2500 years, Jews once again had sovereign control of Jerusalem and have maintained it.
That brings us to about 2007 or thereabouts if a generation is 40 years. However, if a generation is not 40 years, then this generation will still see these things so life expectancy in the US is about 76 years so that brings us to 2024. Later, he says a generation could be a 100 years so now we're up to 2067 (we'll all be long dead which seems to conflict with the idea that this generation (the one in the 1960s) won't pass away till these things come to pass).

Mid-1970s
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Internal political chaos caused by student rebellion and Communist subversion will begin to erode the economy of our nation...
In a 2000 update, he dropped out the part about student rebellion and Communist subversion.

Late 1970s
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Today, the Soviets are without question the strongest power on the face of the earth. Lets look at recent history to see how the Russians rose to the might predicted for them thousands of years ago.
Compare that to...

2000
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We see Russia as no longer a world threat, but a regional power with a world-class military - exactly what Ezekiel 38 and 39 predicted it would be.
So if Ezekiel exactly predicted this, why didn't this author say this 30 years earlier? And how did he miss predicting the fall of the Soviet Union?

1980
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The foreign policies of the western nations, especially the U.S., have done more to aid the tremendous buildup of Soviet power than has any other single factor... The Soviet Union and its satellites have now reached the position of military superiority and strategic world power to fulfill their predicted dreadful role in history. The pages of Ezekiel's and Daniel's prophecies are beginning to look like today's headlines
Those prophecies, according to this author, show the Soviet Union ruling the world. However....

1995
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Fortunately, a confident and bold leader, Ronald Reagan, was elected president of the United States and set in place policies which resulted in a series of reversals - militarily and economic - for the Soviet Union. I believe God's providential hand was working behind the scenes because it was never on the cards for the Kremlin to rule the world.
He praises Reagan's foreign policies but a year earlier had said Reagan's foreign policies were possibly hinted at in the Bible as leading to destruction of the US.

1970
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The Russian force will establish command headquarters on Mount Moriah or the Temple area in Jerusalem. ...he seeks to utterly destroy the Jewish people.
But the Soviet Union collapsed and a new foe came into prominence so in 1997 he says....
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In response to these two deadly threats, the Russian-Muslim force retreats back to Israel and sets up command HQs on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. These forces try to annihilate the Jews as they do this.
Now the Muslims are involved in the previous Russian operation...wonder why he didn't see that in 1970? The Arabs were originally supposed to be part of a second wave, not the first (and yes, he didn't say Muslim, he said Arabs).

He also claimed in the late 1960s the European nations are forming a revived Roman Empire out of which the Anti-Christ will emerge. The number of nations in this new empire is predicted by the Bible to be 10.

1970
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We believe that the Common Market and the trend toward unification of Europe may well be the beginning of the ten-nation confederacy predicted by Daniel and the Book of Revelation...

1973
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You'll notice that nine** countries are already members of the Community... The European union has therefore been temporarily halted at nine members instead of ten. My personal belief is that God Himself stopped the rapid unification because the Revised (sic) Roman Empire was coming together too fast. Once the confederacy includes the ten nations of God's choosing, the group will begin to look for a leader powerful enough to make this new nation the nucleus of a one-world government.

**according to Wiki, there were 6 in 1957 and another 6 joined before 1967 for a total of 12. Not sure where 9 came from. Maybe Wiki is the one that is wrong here...although this author has a habit of just making up numbers (see earthquakes below).

Still, he is sticking with 10 nations.
1980
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...the only possible successor to the Roman Empire (in my opinion [in late 1960s]) was the European Common Market. But a decade ago, that organization had just six member nations, not the 10 the Bible forecast. In 1979, Greece became the 10th member of the Common Market. Recently, the Common Market went beyond its original economic and trade functions and elected a parliament. This move will eventually fulfill the Common Market's long range goal - to unify its members into a single political body.
So the new Roman Empire now has 10 nations and is all set to produce the Anti-Christ.

But first a bit of wiggle room
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It is possible that more than 10 nations could at one point be admitted. But in the final stages, it will number 10.


1994, there are now 12 members so we need to get rid of two.
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In phase 2 of the fourth kingdom, Rome will be in the form of a 10-nation confederacy. Therefore we can expect two nations to withdraw from the CE or we can expect to see mergers of nations.


1995
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I believe, for instance, that a split is very likely that will cause either Britain and/or Germany to leave the EC. Germany could forge a closer relationship with Russia, while Britain may turn toward the United States of America. The Bible is very clear, as we shall see, that this union will be a confederation of ten nations.


2009: Currently I believe the 'Roman Empire' has 27 members (twenty republics, six kingdoms, and one grand duchy). Gonna need to knock out 17 members now, or look for another Roman Empire.

Now it all begins with the Russian invasion which will destroy Israel.

1970
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When the Russians invade the Middle East with amphibious and mechanized land forces, they will make a 'blitzkrieg' type of offensive through the area... The current build-up of Russian ships in the Mediterranean serves as another significant sign of the possible nearness of Armageddon.


1980
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I predicted [in 1970] that the Soviets would begin their Middle East campaign with a sweep through the Persian Gulf area into Iran. The recent Russian invasion of Afghanistan was a first step in that direction. Russia's attack on Afghanistan was its first step into the pages of Ezekiel, chapter 38. It's clear that the Russian strategy is to cut off the supply of Persian Gulf oil to the west and then close all sea lanes leading to that vital area. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan has telegraphed the Soviet intention to take over the entire Middle East... This area has now fit precisely into the pattern predicted for it. All that remains is for the Russians to make their predicted move. When we apply this prophecy to modern times, it becomes obvious that the Soviets will use their recent conquest of Afghanistan as a springboard to overthrow Iran and gain control of the Persian Gulf area


1989: Soviets retreat from Afghanistan. Missed it again, did you, despite things being so precise and exact.

This author is responsible for other types of idiocies such as saying that great earthquakes are 20x more common now than what they were 2000 years ago (Bible predicts earthquakes will increase). Pretty hard to determine level of earthquake activity from 2000 years ago, but not necessarily impossible. All studies have shown that there doesn't appear to have been any increase in number of earthquakes or their magnitude over the past 2000 years. In fact, in the last 100 years there are fewer. Where he got 20x more from, nobody seems to know--it seems he just made the number up. This author is a vile deceiver who tickles the ears of his listeners with falsehoods in order to fatten his bank account; he depends on the short memory of his followers, and counts on them not being computer literate enough to google things.

To sum up, I give the last word to Hank Hanegraaff, who is an extremely right-wing fundamentalist literalist and known as the Bible Answer Man, and associated with the Christian Research Institute, and full of 'interesting' ideas himself. However, he nailed it when he said...

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People who are obsessed with end times have never learned from history. They've been 100 percent wrong, 100 percent of the time.--Hank Hanegraaff
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#144802 - 04/28/09 02:39 AM Re: World Religions [Re: Ken]
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Ken, where did you get all this stuff from and is it all from the pen of this Ron Graham chap? That's a long and impressive list of failed predictions for just one guy!
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#144803 - 04/28/09 05:01 AM Re: World Religions [Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Take a guess as to who it is that has outright accused me of "not respecting Christianity" right here on this Message Board, when *this very same person* themselves has *never* personally received the Lord Jesus Christ as their very own personal Lord and Savior, thus, meaning that they have totally rejected *the very One* upon whom Christianity itself TOTALLY rests and has its total meaning.

Indeed, when it comes to this, I am utterly amazed by the *total hypocrisy* of this particular person!! shocked shocked


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#144804 - 04/28/09 07:56 AM Re: World Religions [Re: Ken]
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Originally Posted By: Ken
Pirc.....So Ron Graham says not to run after people posing conspiracy theories and then poses his own?

You read it?? I hope to never be that bored. I'll reply to your post in World Religions PM, where there's some hope of a real discussion.

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#144805 - 04/28/09 12:25 PM Re: World Religions [Re: South Coast Kevin]
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SCK, this isn't anything from Ron Graham...that guy doesn't have the tools for critical thinking.

I culled it from numerous sources online and from the 1980 book of Lindsey's that my mom has. There is actually one book out there called Hal Lindsey's Prophetic Jigsaw Puzzle : Five Predictions that Failed!. I haven't seen it or read it myself but if I can find a free copy I wouldn't mind seeing which failed prophecies he's uncovered.

Like most astrologers and divinators, Lindsey very slowly alters what he says. He'll make a bald statement, then later add a caveat, later a few more caveats, and much later will eliminate something if it can no longer be supported and then claim he never said it, or claim that his original claim was covered in caveats of "if". He's a slippery conman, but a conman nonetheless. Being a Christian doesn't give people any special ability to detect a conman and many people are fooled by Lindsey.

I'd like to find out what his current views are on the new "Roman Empire". I couldn't find anything past 1995. Is he still insisting that the EU is the new empire and that in the endtimes it will be 10. When it was 10 way back he was sure this heralded in the Apocalypse, and was fairly sure that things would end in 1988. It all fit together nicely just as predicted.

Now that the EU is up to 27, does this mean the Apocalypse is now on hold until they get back down to 10 again? Without having 10 in the EU, this means the AntiChrist can't arise, Russia (or Iran, or Arabs, or Muslims) can't invade anyone, unless Lindsey is 'inspired' by further study to alter timelines and events again.

What I found very disturbing (and something I hadn't realized) is that Lindsey himself claims that the Biblical prophecy has been encoded and undecipherable to anyone till he came along. Only he has been gifted with the special ability to interpret these things that have long been hidden, and through much prayer and study, he's now letting us know what is going to happen.

Anyone who has read any of the history of cults/religions knows that most of them have someone at their center who makes this claim (e.g. Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith). In reading Lindsey's own words I was quite reminded of other failed prophets and conmen trying to sell you something. The hallmark of a scammer is that he has special privileged knowledge that comes from God (or the Freemasons, or an angel, or a spirit guide, or from a complex computer code, or from secret writings of secret societies that actually run the world and are sworn to secrecy etc etc).

Same old, same old, there is nothing new under the sun. Lindsey is just another in a long line of scammers and he certainly won't be the last. In looking up stuff last night I found a few others, including those who are jumping on the whole end of the world in 2012 doomsday bandwagon. I'm surprised Lindsey hasn't latched onto this one yet either...but I guess that would contradict his 2024 to 2067 dates for the second coming.

Oh, one other thing I found disturbing...Lindsey likens himself to astrologers and diviners, and blurs the line between Biblical prophecies and the forecasts told my astrologers....he even uses crystal ball metaphors in describing Biblical prophecy, and it seems he thinks astrologers are fairly accurate in their predictions and it really isn't any different from Biblical predictions. From the quotes I saw it certainly seems damning, but I'd have to read the quotes in context before deciding that.
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#144806 - 04/28/09 12:44 PM Re: World Religions [Re: Ken]
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heh, apparently Lindsey was once a self-confessed devout pagan. That certainly matches with his statements...he acts like the Bible is just another piece of pagan literature and treats it as such. The pagans are probably not happy with him either for the way he treated their sacred works. Fortunately for them there's more money to be made in the gullible Christian market so he's left them alone.

Petro...yes I read it...I thought Pirc had posted it. Only after did I realize who did post it. I should have known PA wouldn't link to such vacuous fluff. My apologies to Pirc for thinking his common sense and reasoning ability had deserted him.
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#144811 - 04/28/09 06:11 PM Re: World Religions [Re: Ken]
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Ah, Ken, I can plainly see from your last few posts here in this topic thread that the still, small voice of your conscience that is telling you **that you still need to get right with Almighty God before it is eternally too late** is really bothering you once again. grin

No, Ken, the truth of the matter is, that, no matter *how many times* that you attack the sins and the imperfections of truly saved, born-again believers like Hal Lindsey, (and myself for that matter), that *still* does NOT change the fact that YOU, Ken, still need to get *YOURSELF* right before Almighty God by your taking that eternally all-important step of your repenting of your sins, and, of your receiving Jesus Christ as your very own personal Lord and Savior!


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