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#146863 - 07/23/09 04:50 AM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Chess Fan]
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And, here is another short article by Dr. Sam Vaknin which also concerns the possible soon up-coming strike by the nation of Israel against Iran's nuclear facilities: -- "Attack on Iran: Rift in the Military and the Role of Commmandos."


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#146877 - 07/23/09 05:01 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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Registered: 08/31/04
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Anybody got any thoughts on this latest brou-ha-ha involving one of Obama's friends getting arrested for disorderly conduct and crying racism?

I've only heard bits and pieces of it, so I might be missing something important. But from what I gather, the police were called on a report of two people trying to break into a home. In actuality, there was no crime going on, the guy was trying to get into his own home. But he apparently copped some major attitude with the cops, which resulted in his getting arrested for disorderly conduct. He cried racism, and Obama, rather unwisely in my opinion, put his own 2˘ worth in (since the case involves a friend of his, I think he should have given it a wide berth, unless some actual wrongdoing by the Police was discovered. Showing favoritism to his friends is already one of Obama's weak points. Why add to it here for no good reason?).

Here's some of what Wiki says about it:

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Gates was arrested and charged following an incident on July 16, 2009, when he had trouble opening the door to his house and a passer-by called police, suspecting that the "two black males" (Gates and a driver) were breaking and entering. The police state that Gates had initially refused to show identification and that the arresting officer, Sergeant James Crowley, had given his name on demand. When Gates was told that Crowley was investigating a possible break in, Gates then stated, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?" When Gates repeated a request for Crowley's name, Crowley replied that he would only speak to Gates outside. Crowley stated that he desired to go outside at that time as "Gates was yelling very loud [sic] and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to EEC or other responding units".[6] Gates then followed Crowley from the house onto the porch, yelling at him.[7][8] Crowley reported that he then warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Crowley reported that he then warned Gates again while at the same time withdrawing handcuffs to arrest Gates.[9]


Assuming this is accurate, and assuming no other big factors that I'm not aware of, I'm already against Gates. If I were trying to force my way into my own place, and a cop came up, I'd know very well what it looked like, and can't imagine getting mad at the cops for stepping in. To the contrary, I'd be mad if they DIDN'T, because if they don't try to stop me from trying to get in, they won't stop a real burglar either.

According to Wiki, Gates tells it differently, but it doesn't seem all that different to me.

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Gates proferred a different version of events, stating that he established his identity, but demanded the name and badge number of the police officer, following him outside, at which time he was arrested for disorderly conduct, citing "loud and tumultuous behavior".[10]


I don't see anything significantly different here. The first account says that Gates "initially refused" to show his ID, the second one says that he did show his ID. The two accounts don't even disagree on that point. The first account says that the cop asked Gates to step outside, the second says he did it on his own. Is that important?


Originally Posted By: Wiki
In the aftermath of this incident, others have spoken out about, including American President Barack Obama, who thought that the police had "acted stupidly" to arrest Gates after he proved it was his home,[16][17][18]

And in turn, I don't think it was too bright of Obama to criticize the cops in the absence of any actual wrongdoing on their part. Is he trying to send the message to America that it's okay to cop an attitude with the cops as long as you're on your own property? Or is he only saying that it's okay if you're black, or in academia, or a personal friend of his? Whichever way he meant that, I don't think Obama's own intelligence is exactly shining through with this comment.

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and the Reverend Al Sharpton who called the incident of "police abuse or racial profiling" both "outrageous" and "unbelievable".[19]

That's Sharpton for you. He'd be saying exactly the same thing if they had willfully refused to investigate a break-in at the home of a black professor. Nothing like covering all your bases.

As far as profiling, that seems nonsensical. From what it says, they were answering a call, and thought they were witnessing a crime in progress. "Profiling" is when there's no crime going on, but you think there might be one in the future, because somebody just looks guilty (for one reason or another).

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#146880 - 07/23/09 05:32 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Petrosianic]
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Registered: 08/31/04
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An update to the story on MSNBC. This illustrates one of the things I dislike the most about politicians in general: The "I didn't really say what you heard me say" game:

Cop in Gates Case Teaches About Racial Profiling: White House: Obama didn't mean to call officer in Gates arrest 'stupid'

Here's the bit that annoys me:

Originally Posted By: Initial comment
“I think it’s fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry,” Obama said. “No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.


Originally Posted By: Retconned Version
The White House said Thursday that Obama did not intend to call the officer "stupid."

"Let me be clear, he was not calling the officer stupid," Gibbs told reporters. He said Obama felt that "at a certain point the situation got far out of hand."


So, when he said that the cops acted stupidly, he did NOT mean that the cops acted stupidly. You just heard it wrong. All he meant meant was that the situation was regrettable but that nobody was stupid. bang

Why can't politicians ever just be big enough to say "Me and my big mouth"? You know? I'd really respect any one of them who did that.


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Obama did not fault the actions of Gates, who he said is a friend.


Well, that's a good reason for taking somebody's side, especially when you're the President. That's exactly the reason why he shouldn't have commented in the first place. Because he might call somebody stupid and have people mistakenly think he was calling them stupid.

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#146887 - 07/23/09 10:26 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Petrosianic]
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Even more ironic is the situation that was photographed. At least one of the arresting officers is black.
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#146912 - 07/24/09 10:30 AM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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I heard in another story that his house actually had been burglarized for real recently, which makes browbeating the cops for trying to guard the place even more idiotic. Just because a guy is a professor doesn't mean he has the brains God gave a mongoose. (As a professor yourself, you can probably tell some stories along those lines, maybe in that Outrageous thread?)

I think one lesson we've learned in all this is that this "being friends with the President" business is a two-edged sword. Up until now, I'd thought of it as an unmitigated plus, but it has a negative side too. On the positive side, it gives you some weight to throw around, but the negative part is that if you make a jerk of yourself, you might have the whole country talking about it.

You'd think that would have occurred to me with the Reverend Wright business, but it didn't because he ended up getting feted at the National Press Club and having a big fuss made over him. I think that's because Wright represented a viewpoint. An offensive and racist viewpoint perhaps, but a viewpoint nevertheless. I don't think that will be the case with Gates, and he'll end up looking like a big ivory tower jerk who likes to harass what he considers to be the lower classes.

Of course I could be wrong. Some big bombshell could drop that could change the whole picture, but right now I see him as a guy who's thrown his weight around his whole life by crying racism, but picked the wrong people to do it to this time; a black cop and a white cop who teaches classes in racial profiling.

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#146913 - 07/24/09 10:35 AM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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Registered: 08/31/04
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This is only obliquely related to what we're talking about, but we were talking about Pat Garrett recently, and this bit fits in with the whole "Embarrassing Friends of the President" theme:

Pat Garrett

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On December 20, 1901, Theodore Roosevelt, who became a personal friend of Garrett, appointed him customs collector in El Paso, Texas. Garrett served for five years. However, he was not reappointed, possibly because he had embarrassed Roosevelt by showing up at a San Antonio Rough Riders reunion with a notorious gambler friend named Tom Powers. Garrett had Powers pose in a group photograph with Roosevelt, resulting in bad publicity for the president.[4]

Garrett had been warned about his close association with Powers by friends. Years earlier, Powers had been run out of his home state of Wisconsin for beating his father into a coma. Garrett did not listen, and when his reappointment was denied, he traveled to Washington, D.C., to speak personally with Roosevelt. He had the bad judgment of taking Powers with him. In that meeting, Roosevelt told Garrett plainly that there would be no reappointment.


The two stories are only vaguely similar. After all, Gates was never appointed to anything. Still, I can't help wondering if Gates is going to be on Obama's Christmas Card list after this.

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#146917 - 07/24/09 12:52 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Petrosianic]
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Registered: 08/31/04
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For Presidential Embarrassments, my all-time favorite is still Billy Carter.

Speaking of Carter, does anyone remember Jimmy Carter and the Killer Rabbit? That was a big joke for a day or so until it turned out that it had been caught on film and happened pretty much the way Carter described it. So soon after Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it made headlines, though. "President attacked by Rabbit!" Poor thing was probably rabid. Carter was lucky the situation ended up being merely funny, rather than serious.

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#146923 - 07/24/09 04:47 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Petrosianic]
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Originally Posted By: Petrosianic
For Presidential Embarrassments, my all-time favorite is still Billy Carter.

Oh, that was he of "Billy Beer" fame, right?! grin


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#146924 - 07/24/09 04:51 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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Registered: 08/31/04
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Originally Posted By: Ed Yetman, III
Even more ironic is the situation that was photographed. At least one of the arresting officers is black.


And he supports it 100%.
Black Officer at Scholar's Home Supports Arrest

I was drawn to this bit:

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Gov. Deval Patrick said Gates' arrest was "every black man's nightmare."


I can't speak for any of the others, but the stories don't indicate that Gates himself had the slightest fear of the Police. He simply looked like a guy who thought he was a big man, throwing his weight around. Far from being afraid, he seems to have considered himself untouchable, and surprised to find that he wasn't.

Obama is finally starting to backpedal...

Obama Expresses His Regrets on Gates Incident

But in a kind of lukewarm way:

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“I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station,” Mr. Obama added. “I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well. My sense is you’ve got two good people in a circumstance in which neither of them were able to resolve the incident in the way that it should have been resolved and the way they would have liked it to be resolved.”

Mr. Obama did not use the word “apology,” but aides said that was the sentiment conveyed during his phone call with Sergeant Crowley.


I did like this bit, though:

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“I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up, I wanted to make clear that in my choice of words, I think, I unfortunately, I think, gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically,” Mr. Obama said.


The bit about "I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up" is pretty good for a politician. up

Gates, on the other hand seems too dumb to know when to cut his losses:

Gates: James Crowley a Rogue Policeman

I don't mean "dumb" as a vague-but-generic putdown, I mean something very specific. I think Gates is just reading from a script, as it were, that he's the kind who just cries Wolf at every bit of adversity and simply isn't intelligent or spontaneous enough to improvise something on the spot when "the book" doesn't apply. In fact, I just composed a little gamelet in Gates' honor:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 g6 3. exf6 Bg7 4. fxg7 Resigns

What's the explanation for this game? Well, Black stayed up all night studying the King's Indian Defense, and when White crossed him up by playing 1. e4, he was unable to adjust, and so just blindly played the moves he'd memorized. That's what Gates seems to be doing here.


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#146926 - 07/24/09 07:44 PM Re: Politics 2 [Re: Petrosianic]
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Registered: 02/01/05
Loc: Canada
I think perhaps that opening should be given an appropriate name, then entered into the CN lexicon where we can use it to indicate lack of flexibility, or something similar.
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