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#147442 - 08/07/09 07:59 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: spock]
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Registered: 02/01/05
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and the combination of year-round heat and humidity would make me move some place cooler or drier.

Whitehorse, Yukon. Semi-arid. A bit cool in the winter, but summers are lovely...all 3 weeks of it. wink Nah, much longer summer than that.

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Basically I think it is a bad idea because it is treating the symptoms and not the disease.

There has been quite some debate about geoengineering and ideas like this (saw it somewhere on Matthew's Framing Science site). Some are saying, as you (Rimfaxe) say, that it is just treating the symptoms, not the cause.

Others are agreeing but countering by saying we may need to treat the symptoms first in order to give us time to treat the cause. The counter-counter argument is that people will see the treatment of the symptoms is working so why should we push ahead with treating the cause.

Just checked Framing Science and he has a number of thought-provoking new posts (although I didn't do a search for the one I mention above).
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#147463 - 08/07/09 09:31 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ken]
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I've thought about moving to Canada, but the gun laws there are so restrictive. What are you guys going to do about the C.H.U.D.?
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#147467 - 08/07/09 10:04 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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They all froze to death last winter so no worries. Just make sure the metal screen in the toilet is in place before you use it though....just in case. And stock up on this stuff too...with that metal grate in place you sometimes need it. Plus it comes in handy should the C.H.U.D. make a comeback.
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#147469 - 08/07/09 10:14 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ken]
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Dude! check this out:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087015/

It's amazing to see who was in this in the minor roles--John Goodman! And he's not the only one.

I think I'll go rent it.

By the bye, August 31st is the 25th anniversary of the release of the movie. I think I might have party on that date.


Edited by Ed Yetman, III (08/07/09 10:18 PM)
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#147473 - 08/07/09 10:54 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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I like older movies/shows just for that reason...a minor role for a big actor (e.g. Robert Redford playing death in The Twilight Zone). I scan the credits at the end of a movie for names I might recognize (Charles Bronson credited as Charlie Buchinski, or some name like that in a western---he played an Indian...who presumably was from the Bronx based on the accent he sported).
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#147533 - 08/09/09 09:59 AM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ken]
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Not a GW post here, but the same argument is used. The moon is a ridiculous liberal myth.

I'm sure most people will see this as a silly spoof. What many won't realize though is that anyone who says GW is a big hoax looks as equally silly to those who are familiar with the evidence. To claim GW is a hoax is to invoke a conspiracy theory on the scale never seen before as every leading science organization in the world is in on it regardless of their respective country's political systems. And invoking global conspiracy theories makes you look as silly as this. Hmm, talk about a beam in the eye...Hitler probably has Inky beat here.
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#147535 - 08/09/09 01:59 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ken]
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Ken, why do you continue to harp **on and on and on** about why *everyone* should believe in man-made Global Warming; (or, whatever you are harping against?!) confused confused

(Haven't you noticed that anti-Global Warming agenda people like RingLord and myself have pretty much almost totally *stopped* posting here in this thread?!)

It seems to me as though, maybe, you are just trying to continue to convince *yourself* that all of this "Global Warming stuff" is true. laugh

Ken, you seem to believe if you continue to more or less call everyone else a "moron" who does not believe in the Global Warming agenda, that THAT gives you a stronger platform to prove that the Global Warming agenda is TRUE.

However, that is NOT the case, Kenny boy! grin


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#147536 - 08/09/09 02:31 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Chess Fan]
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CF, I beg to differ. It has been scientifically studied and proven that global warming is real and may have dire consequences for this world. This is fact.

What you believe is an unfounded belief. It is not based on fact. Ken may repeat it because he has the same misunderstanding as you do...that repeating something many times will change people's minds.

Your mind will not be changed on Global Warming, even though science has proven that you are wrong. Same with this creation stuff. (I'm not knocking Jesus, just the belief that to be a Christian, someone has to believe as you do. There are many REAL and TRUE CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS who think that the rature and many other ideas you espouse are just misgquided thoughts, fed by preachers who function as cult leaders.
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#147542 - 08/09/09 07:32 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: inky.]
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Ken may repeat it because he has the same misunderstanding as you do...that repeating something many times will change people's minds.

I don't do it to change the minds of deniers, Inky. Denialists of all stripes are on record saying "No amount of evidence will change our mind". GW deniers, HIV causes AIDs deniers, Holocaust deniers, vaccines=autism proponents, birthers, moon landing deniers, are all unreachable. They have an ideological point of view, and anything that threatens that ideological view is rejected regardless of the amount of evidence.

I do it because the denialists have truly muddied the waters with falsehoods. I do it for the people who are open-minded and aren't sure what to believe. The denialists recycle the same arguments over and over again as if they've never been proven false years ago. Some claims are so ridiculous you don't even need specialized knowledge to refute it. Others can be refuted with a Grade 7/8 level of math.

Their arguments are distortions, cherry-picks, strawmen, misquotes of real scientists, and things they just make up. None of it stands up to any scrutiny; most of it insults the intelligence of their readers. As I've said before some of the strongest evidence for GW comes from the paucity of the denialist arguments.

Their goal, though, is not to dispute global warming on scientific terms, but to create the image that science is still divided and unsure. They want to create paralysis, prevent action. For some they do that because their political ideology is "less gov't, the better", and when confronted with a problem so huge that more gov't will be needed, they reject the evidence, deny it exists, make things up, simply because of a political ideology. Others are tied to oil companies who have been actively funding think tanks and some individuals...essentially paying them to lie.

I have never seen so many scientists taking to the message boards to condemn the deniers who take their papers, misquote them to make them say the opposite of what the author(s) said. They are furious at the deliberate misinterpretation of their work. I have never seen so many deliberate lies by people who do know better, not even with the whole acid rain thing back when Reagan was denying there was a problem (same people involved in that denial campaign are in the GW denial campaign...and tobacco smoke health risk denial campaign).

And I don't just repeat things. I usually back it with evidence from real scientists, real experts, people who work in the field of climatology. I've only seen two denialist arguments that were good...and the people making them at the time were true skeptics, not denialists. Since then both points have been accounted for.

One was because a satellite orbit had decayed and it was measuring temp at a different time than ground stations thought---that was a problem because climate models predicted one thing, yet the satellite data said the opposite. Then in 2005 they found the satellite had drifted, and once that was taken into account, the satellite data now matched the climate models very nicely. So the strongest argument against turned out to be a strong argument for....so if you see a denier talking point saying, "Satellite temps do not show warming in the upper atmosphere", they are now lying...and I say lying because they would have heard the explanation many times now.

Other falsehoods are: warming stopped in 1998 (or 2002), ocean temps are not increasing, sea levels aren't rising, 555 of the 625 monitored glaciers are growing (or 55% of glaciers are growing)--regardless, both points are just made up, its all from the sun, its the urban heat island effect, CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas, etc etc etc ad nasuem.

If anyone is tempted to write a contrarian comment on a science blog, first do some independent reading... (as CF clearly has been doing since he's beginning to agree with the science now...stop apologizing too, CF, we know your opinion was uninformed and therefore useless but you're now remedying that and doing some reading so you have a better idea what you're talking about...the old CF is dead, the new CF has learned to read)

... because if you post one of these falsehoods and declare "explain this!", you'll be shredded, given some basic links to read, and told to come back when you've read them and know what you're talking about. They're happy to educate, but if they suspect you're not educatable, they'll leave you a gooey humilated mess. Yeah, some scientists are a-holes...doesn't mean they are wrong though (google that, btw, Orac just had a post about a-hole scientists...good reading).

Science folks have heard the same lies thousands of times now and their patience is getting short with people who refuse to learn (I just read a report by either NASA or national academy of sciences, and one of their main bullet points is "Anyone who thinks GW is not happening, has their head in the sand". Pretty blunt for scientists, but they're tired of the same lies, tired of being told they're the liars who are hoaxing the public, that they're part of some big conspiracy, and they're tired of no-nothings Senators who are trying to get them fired simply because the Senators don't like the evidence these scientists find).
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#147544 - 08/09/09 07:42 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Ken]
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Originally Posted By: inky.
CF, I beg to differ. It has been scientifically studied and proven that global warming is real and may have dire consequences for this world. This is fact.

@Inky:

Just because you and Ken and others believe this does NOT make it a so-called "fact!" grin grin

But, whatever, carry on..... grin grin


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