Once again the merry-go-round goes round

I find it difficult to follow your your writing sometimes, PA. Fact is not something subject to verification or falsfication; it is an indisputably true thing. An assumption is a thing assumed to be true, usually as a premise to an argument. A belief is a conclusion, usually drawn from an argument. Does that sort it out?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_episcopal_bishops

The Episcopal Church elects a second gay bishop. That church appears to be unravelling.

I make X stand on a weighing machine and measure his weight as per the measuring instruction. The measurement shows exactly 200 pounds today. So I know for a fact that X is 200 pounds today. Is this not a fact??

Okay, so, you don't verify. How do you know something is indisputably true? By arguing? Example please!

What is the color of the "T" in my avatar? It is red. That is a fact.

By contrast, you say the Bible is the word of God. How do I know that God exists? Why, if I have the mind of Christ. How do I get that? By reading the Bible. Why? Because it is the word of God. How do I know that? By acquiring the mind of Christ. How do I do that? By reading the Bible. So on and so on.

This isn't to say this isn't true. But the only way to know your statements to be true is through faith, not logic or reason. You cannot make your case through either. That is what you and CF fail to grasp. More's the pity that you are trying to reduce the Christian faith to mere reason.

Are you sure? Haven't you seen in some performances where the performer will be wearing a white dress but because of the light effects it will take the color of the light? So "T" could be a white color. How do you know it is indisputably red??

Here, in an *excellent* brief and encouraging message from the Word of God from this past Sunday evening's service, (Sunday, May 9th, 2010), Pastor Loran Livingston preaches about the fact that Almighty God DOES honor all "sowing" that is done by believers in Christ, (both physical AND spiritual sowing), that is done in HIS power, and, that is done for HIS honor and glory.

The main Bible passages that Pastor Livingston used for this message are from: -- Psalm 112, Verses 1 through 9, and, Psalm 126, Verses 5 and 6.


Chess Fan

In this, the latest edition of "The Hal Lindsey Report", Hal Lindsey, (among other things), talks about, (using current examples from every day news here in the U.S.), how that the true meaning of the first amendment of the United States Constitution has been perverted by the actions of people and the government here in the United States.

Without further explanation, here is the May 14th, 2010 edition of: -- "The Hal Lindsey Report"


Chess Fan

Because when Petro was taking the picture I was standing under the sign and saw it with my own eyes--as can anyone who wishes to look at it. No special faculty, like "the mind of Christ," is needed. Every time you invoke such a thing you are making a gnostic argument.

The T is red. That is a fact. The Bible is a book. That is a fact. The Bible as the word of God is a matter of faith, not fact. Grasp that.

@Ed:

On this side of eternity, (in this temporal, mortal life here upon this Earth), you can play all of the word games that you want concerning whether or not that the Bible is the Word of God.

However, this much I can say with all certainty:

On the other side of eternity, (for every person who dies; or, is Raptured off of this Earth), the **FACT** that the Bible, IS the Word of God will no longer be "up for debate".

For some people on the other side of eternity, the FACT that the Bible, (and everything that it said about the blessed and joyous wonders of Heaven), IS the Word of God will be an obvious AND **BLESSED** truth to them.

However, for the majority of people on the other side of eternity, (that is, after they die and leave this temporal, mortal Earthly life), the FACT that the Bible, (and everything that it said about the utter and terrible horrors of an eternal Hell), IS the Word of God will be an obvious and **HORRENDOUS** truth to them.

Ed, please DO "grasp that."


Chess Fan

Let me summarize my discussions with spock.

• We saw that the intended purpose of Bible is for spiritual things, though some of the facts in the Bible can be used for historical, archealogical or scientific purposes.
• Mind of Christ/Spirit of God knows the things of God (Ref. I Cor. 2:10-16), and therefore the best interpretor of the Bible.
• Therefore it is important to have the mind of Christ/Spirit of God to correctly interpret the Bible for spiritual purposes.
• With correct interpretation coming from mind of Christ, any false interpretations that is not in tune with the mind of Christ can be identified easily.
• We saw what is a mind of Christ. "Going the extra mile" is an example of mind of Christ, found in Matt 5:41.
• We also saw how to obtain the mind of Christ. In faith, by salvation and by working out salvation, a process of renewing of mind to be specific. (Ref. I Cor 2:16, Ephesians 4:23, Romans 12:2) As a result, your mind will become one with the mind of Christ.
• Whether someone else has the mind of Christ is not something that concerns us, so we shouldn't be into that if you ask me.
• False interpretation is one thing, false prophets are another thing. Those who interprets falsely need not be false prophets.
• False prophets would be hard to identify. Being saved and being firmly rooted in the word of God will help from being deceived by them. Some traits of false prophets can be seen in the following scriptures. (Matt 7:15, Matt 24:24, 2 Peter 2:1, I John 4:1)

spock, ken,

Is this better? Does this help? Now that everything in single post, any questions, spock?

You may want to use this page for KJV Bible references.