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#162347 - 05/08/12 08:15 AM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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Ninja
Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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Well, directly below, I have posted a quote by a person named Donna Wasson. She is a person who posts Biblical commentary articles on the Rapture Ready website; (and, I have linked to some of her articles on my "End Times Blog".) Anyway, Donna Wasson's quote below describes **very well** some of my own personal Christian thoughts and feelings and purposes as to how and why I serve my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through my postings here on this Chess Ninja Message Board. So, the quote below, although NOT written by me personally, DOES **very much** speak for me also as to just WHY that I post "what I do" and "the way that I do it" here on this Chess Ninja Message Board: "Having read about Biblical prophecy regarding the last days for many years, I can see the puzzle pieces falling into place a little more every single day. It shouldn’t be much longer before a catastrophic event occurs that will rock this world and change international relations forever. I won’t even pretend to know when the doo-doo will hit the fan, but every person on this earth seems to have a nagging sense that something is about to happen. They are right.
*Sigh* I’m sure my fellow Christians will agree that it gets darn exhausting to constantly proclaim the in-your-face, politically incorrect truth. To swim upstream against the current of popular opinion and the increasing hatred of all things Christian. We keep working because we care and grieve for the lost and what they are facing.
The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge I am obeying my Master. I rest in the fact that HE is quite capable of taking my marginal writing skills and questionable grammar and blessing and multiplying their effects for His use and glory. He has to because, quite frankly, I’m not that great a writer!
Oh yeah, I can certainly identify with the ‘John 3:16’ guy and the bum on the corner with the scary sign. I know the things I write can sound crazy and mean and insulting. But, if it gets your attention and causes you to begin to question your relationship, or lack of relationship with God, then I’ve done my job. If I can strongly point out and warn against the false teachings of the emergent church and its preachers, then maybe at least one person will see them for the wolves they are." Indeed, I could not have said it any better myself!  Chess Fan
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#162349 - 05/08/12 11:44 AM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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Queen
Registered: 11/18/03
Loc: Warren, OH USA
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When Nebuchadnezzar is going to put the three men in the oven, what do they say? "The God of Israel will deliver us. But if not, O king, know that we will not bow down to your idol of gold." There is faith in a nutshell. Amen to this. Always one of my favorite biblical passages. From the RSV: Daniel 3:14-18 "Nebuchadnez'zar said to them, "Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed'nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the golden image which I have set up? Now if you are ready when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, to fall down and worship the image which I have made, well and good; but if you do not worship, you shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace; and who is the god that will deliver you out of my hands?" Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed'nego answered the king, "O Nebuchadnez'zar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace; and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image which you have set up." A wonderful testimony to what faith really is. Mark.
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#162350 - 05/08/12 11:52 AM
Re: World Religions
[Re: PircAlert]
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Queen
Registered: 11/18/03
Loc: Warren, OH USA
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Just to clarify for those who may not have read the link, this quote is one of the ideas rejected by the article and Orthodox Christianity. In Orthodox theology generally it can be said that the language of "payment" and "ransom" is rather understood as a metaphorical and symbolical way of saying that Christ has done all things necessary to save and redeem mankind enslaved to the devil, sin and death, and under the wrath of God. He "paid the price," not in some legalistic or juridical or economic meaning. He "paid the price" not to the devil whose rights over man were won by deceit and tyranny. He "paid the price" not to God the Father in the sense that God delights in His sufferings and received "satisfaction" from His creatures in Him. He "paid the price" rather, we might say, to Reality Itself. He "paid the price" to create the conditions in and through which man might receive the forgiveness of sins and eternal life by dying and rising again in Him to newness of life (See Rom 5-8; Gal 2-4). MalackyM, You know why there is some trouble understanding this? Because orthodox view does not outrightly reject the fact that Jesus paid the price! It rejects 2 views which are mostly hypothetical from Christianity perspective. View 1. He "paid the price" not to the devil whose rights over man were won by deceit and tyranny. View 2. He "paid the price" not to God the Father in the sense that God delights in His sufferings and received "satisfaction" from His creatures in Him. Note the word in the sense. That means, in another sense he paid the price to God!! Jesus' blood was offered to God the Father which I think no Christians can deny! That is why I asked Kevin who did the High Priest offered the sacrifice of atonement for sin. This is something that was established by God. As per Bible, without shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Jesus obeyed to what was established by God! A disobedience had to be setright by obedience. As Romans 5:19 goes, "For just as through one man's disobedience many people were made sinners, so also through one man's obedience many people will be made righteous." You can take it as obedience is the price Jesus had to pay but his blood he offered it to God as part of what was established by God. This obedience includes Jesus giving his life as a ransom and as a sacrifice and thereby paying the price! Is my understanding/inference/conclusion agree with the orthodox view? First off, I would like to apologize to you PA as I completely missed this when it was first posted. I’m glad I finally came across it. I hope this helps answer your question. There is no doubt that Jesus needed to die and be raised again for our salvation. He needed to do “something”, but I don’t think that “paid the price” is the best way to put it. It makes it sound like he owed somebody back. If I had to say that Christ had to “pay the price” to something, the closest I could come up with would be to death itself. When man sinned in Genesis and was separated from God, he was cast out of Eden and began living in a fallen word which we are now all subject to. The Orthodox do not believe we are guilty of “original sin” as was Adam, we are just living in the results of his sin, a world of sin and death. Because of our human nature we have no power to save ourselves. Jesus being fully God as well as fully man, (note: not half man and half God), by his death and descent into Hades, was able to overcome the death to which we were subject. He, by his divinity, was able to do what we couldn’t, free us from the sin and death which we were born into. Mark.
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#162351 - 05/08/12 01:11 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Malackym]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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When man sinned in Genesis and was separated from God, he was cast out of Eden and began living in a fallen word which we are now all subject to. The Orthodox do not believe we are guilty of “original sin” as was Adam, we are just living in the results of his sin, a world of sin and death. Because of our human nature we have no power to save ourselves. Jesus being fully God as well as fully man, (note: not half man and half God), by his death and descent into Hades, was able to overcome the death to which we were subject. He, by his divinity, was able to do what we couldn’t, free us from the sin and death which we were born into. Hi Mark, nice to see you! I'm increasingly warming to this idea of the atonement, as against the so-called penal substitutionary atonement model that PircAlert was describing. The PSA themes of punishment and justice (in the narrow judicial sense) don't chime with what I see of God as revealed in Jesus. Jesus likened God to a father who watches out for his long-lost son and welcomes the son back, disregarding that the son has squandered his inheritance and been laid so low as to eat the food of unclean animals. Jesus also spoke of God as one who searches for a lost coin or sheep, rejoicing when what was lost has been found. I don't see much PSA in this or the other ways Jesus described God and his kingdom...
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#162449 - 05/13/12 01:11 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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MODERATION - I've moved this post from Evolution and Creationism thread as it fits better here.@South Coast Kevin: For your information, directly below I have quoted a small section of a Bible commentary article by Jospeh Chambers, (titled, "THE BEASTLY, "ASSYRIAN ANTICHRIST""), that I posted a link to earlier today in a post on "My End Times Blog". In the following short quote by Joseph Chambers, he gives his short opinion about the Emergent Church movement that you, Kevin, are a member of. Here is that quote: "The “Emergent Churches” are foolish enough to completely ignore “Bible Prophecy”. They hate Fundamental truths and are damning their mega-flocks of people. By keeping them illiterate of the Book of Revelation and the coming rapture with judgment to follow, these big time preachers are in the drivers seat. A First Testament Prophet called them, “DUMB DOGS, THAT CANNOT BARK; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.” (Isaiah 56:10)" In closing here, once again, Kevin, you need to *LEAVE* the brainwashing of the apostate Emergent Church movement that you are currently a member of and go and join a solid, Bible teaching church that teaches the fundamentals and the truths of the **ENTIRE** inerrant Word of God, (the Bible)! Chess Fan
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#162452 - 05/13/12 01:58 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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Chess Fan, you can now consider me informed about the apostate Emergent Church movement. By the way, what church near me would you recommend, if I were to leave my church? (Which you seem to be implying has a mega-flock of people, a big time preacher, and also keeps its members ignorant of the Book of Revelation....) I suppose I'm not being fair here - presumably you don't know any details of the churches near where I live. But what would you say I should look for in a church? What do you think are the top, say, five most important things to look for in a local community of Jesus-followers?
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I blog about Christianity in the 21st century, chess, music, politics and anything else that interests me. Have a read if you're interested too!
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#162460 - 05/13/12 10:37 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 12/08/04
Loc: Tucson, Arizona
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Why don't you join the Church of England? They seem nice enough.
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"I will not be pushed, passed, isolated, blockaded, doubled, undoubled, or promoted!"--The Pawn.
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#162496 - 05/15/12 02:47 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Ed Yetman, III]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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I was thinking more about a specific church congregation, rather than a denomination. After all there is enormous diversity of belief and practice within Church of England congregations across the country; indeed you could have two very different congregations that have their main Sunday service in the same building!
Also, I'm uncomfortable with a few things in the C of E; the strongly hierarchical nature, the mixing of church and state, the division of clergy and laity (only clergy can give out the bread and wine at a Communion / Eucharist service, for example).
But I was particularly wondering what Chess Fan feels I should look for in a local church, seeing as the one I'm currently a member of is so clearly (in his view) damaging to my spiritual health.
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#162497 - 05/15/12 03:32 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: South Coast Kevin]
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Ninja
Registered: 10/17/03
Loc: Pennsylvania
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But I was particularly wondering what Chess Fan feels I should look for in a local church, seeing as the one I'm currently a member of is so clearly (in his view) damaging to my spiritual health. Well, Kevin, seeing that my most recent post that I made earlier today in the "Evolution and Creationism" thread has been deleted, **with no explanation given to me as to why it was deleted**, do I also have to wonder if what I post here in THIS thread is also going to be deleted?!  Chess Fan
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#162498 - 05/15/12 04:05 PM
Re: World Religions
[Re: Chess Fan]
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King
Registered: 12/02/06
Loc: Southampton, England
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CF, do you mean this post of yours which I moved from the Evolution and Creationism thread as I thought it fitted better in this thread, World Religions? This is the only post of anyone's that I've done anything with recently, but I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough that I simply moved your post rather than deleting it. Do please answer my question about what one should look for in a local church - I'm wondering whether our views will differ as much as our theological opinions do (I think perhaps they won't).
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