I disagree. Energy band is fraudulent thing which you already know. So that may not be a good example for this. (Unless you think Christianity is a marketing fraud.) Anyway, everything in this world is not explained. But even if you think you can explain, it has to be within your senses to be understood and explained. You simply rule out the possibility that there can be something that is beyond your senses that cannot be understood or explained. Just imagine for a moment man has lost one of the senses say smelling sense. Some of the truths about the characteristics of a substance would not have been discovered. You may try to discover using creatures that have smelling ability but there is no guarantee it would have led to an accurate discovery. Just reminded of Ken quoting blind men and the elephant poem. Blind men discovery would have been the truth in the land of blind men! Eyes need to be opened to see the truth! Faith is beyond senses! I think there is nothing wrong in accepting our limitation and then trying go beyond that.

I could add that the postmodernist destruction of authority is usually just a prelude to the advancement of bogus claims of authority, put forward by the previous deniers of authority.

@PircAlert:

Well, my dear Christian brother, I guess by now that you can *plainly see* that all of this so-called "debating" about truth with un-saved, un-believing people who do NOT hold the Bible in the highest esteem, (like you and I do), is a fruitless endeavor, indeed!

After my reading over the past few pages of "debating" here in this thread, PircAlert my brother, just remember what Almighty God says in His Word, (in the quote below), and, you will understand why that you just can NOT seem to be able to make the other participants in this discussion understand what you and I are saying in our discussion about truth; *(emphasis mine in the following Bible quote)*:




Chess Fan

If you disagree then you are wrong.



Is not yet explained. Or, in most cases, it has not been explained to you. There are a great many things in this world that are a mystery to me personally but that are well understood by someone else.

More to the point, the tricks used to market the energy band are well understood. Despite that people continue to insist that energy bands work for some unspecified or semi-specified magical reason. There is no mystery, only simple deception.



If it is beyond our (augmented) senses then it does not exist in this world. There is nothing to explain.

If there is something that needs explaining then it is available to our senses and we can eventually explain it.

Or do you claim that you can detect the undetectable and explain it?



And what point is it that you think you are making with this example? Are you arguing that humanity has lost, or never developed, some sixth sense that would allow us to detect something that we are currently unable to detect?

On what would you base such a claim?

Indeed, this is how I was introduced to postmodernism.

I haven't had a chance to gain a full understanding of it and how it fits into the practices of bogus claimants. But this makes sense.

spock, a history of postmodernism would be a tedious job. I doubt it would be a very interesting read either.

I know it just goes crazy. Actually I do not even have to make a claim that there are undetectable things! It is embedded in the evolutionists' claim when they say things have evolved or are evolving. It is implied that some of the things possible to be detected by human brain are not detected before human kind (or human brain) is evolved. Applying the same reasoning, things can be detected when a new advanced creature evolves???



My point is simple. It is wrong to claim we know or we are capable of knowing/understading everything. Therefore, there is nothing wrong in believing in supernatural things when enough proofs and evidences are provided in the form of miracles etc. or in a way by which natural things can grasp the incomprehensible supernatural things. Because if those unseen supernatural things are true, whether you believe it or not, whether you accept it or not, they will be operating and will continue to operate just like gravitational force that operates on earth even if you don't understand the science behind it. So you simply can't escape from the consequences!

Let us take David's case from Bible. David committed adultery. Not only that, to cover that up, he committed a murder. He killed Bathsheba's husband Uriah by advising his army commanders to withdraw the forces and leave Uriah alone in the battle so he can die by enemy sword. Uriah was killed. No one knew of this murder. His army commander may not have had the complete picture. Business went as usual for David and he legally married Bathsheba. But this wicked thing did not escape God! God through his prophet warned David and David's first born son to Bathsheba was killed. His son's death was NOT a natural death, it was God's punishment pronounced in advance by His prophet! Two things in this case. 1. Without supernatural involvement, God's phophet would not have possibly known the truth. 2. Without supernatural involvement, the child would not have died of unnatural death - a death that was announced earlier. It was then upto David to believe in God's words. He knew what he did and he chose to believe God and repented for his wrong doing.

Hi Chess Fan, God hasn't given up on us, has He?

Btw, just finished listening to Pastor Livingston, I can't believe he said this same thing that God hasn't given up on us. I think he says this often I think. But another thing he said about in last Sunday's message NOT to mix Philosophy with Faith!

Oh, PircAlert, I am **certainly NOT** saying that you and I should "give up" on our un-saved friends here at ChessNinja!

I am just pointing out, once again, that, unless/until Almighty God works the miracle of **true salvation through Jesus Christ** in the hearts of our debating friends here in this thread, that we should not expect much change in the responses of our debating friends here in this thread.


Chess Fan

No rapture today then? I wonder when people will learn that predicting the day of Christ's return is a fool's game...