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#3502 - 07/08/03 03:05 AM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
obi1 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/03
Loc: Belgium
To be honest Eddie, I'm not really sure how the program calculates those numbers exactly.

What I do know, is that it is based on "Opposition Cumulative Scores".
So, there are not rating-points involved, which made me comment that this was the choice to make if there are no valid rating known.

The help-file of the program states that, for more info on these different methods, the USCF-handbook should be consulted.

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#3503 - 07/08/03 08:59 AM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Eddie Offline
King

Registered: 01/22/03
Loc: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
I've just lost my third game in a row, this time to rondino:

rondino (1527) - Ninja Eddie [D05]
Friendly Game, 30m + 0s Play And Watch, 08.07.2003

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 cxd4 6.exd4 Nc6 7.Bf4 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nbd2 Qb6 10.Nb3 Bd7 11.Qc2 Rac8 12.Ng5 h6 13.Nf3 Nb4 14.Qd2 Nxd3 15.Qxd3 Bb5 16.Qd2 Bxf1 17.Rxf1 Ne4 18.Qc1 Qd8 19.Ne5 Bg5 20.Bxg5 hxg5 21.f3 Nd6 22.Nc5 b6 23.Ncd3 Nb5 24.Qe3 Nd6 25.Ng4 Nc4 26.Qc1 a6 27.f4 gxf4 28.Qxf4 Qd6 29.Nf6+ gxf6 30.Qg4+ Kh8 31.Rf3 Ninja Eddie resigns (Lag: Av=0.49s, max=0.8s) 1-0

Again, a single blunder cost me the game. After 28...Nd6 (aiming e4), black is much better. My move (28...Qd6) allowed mate in 5, starting with the nice move rondino found, 29.Nf6+. Notice that 29.Nh6+ loses because of 31.e5!, which saves the day also had he missed 30.Qg4+ and played 30.Qxf6?

I'll officialy stop playing in my mornings. My brain only starts working after 14:00pm, so you european guys, will have to play very early in the morning. I'm not asking! I think I have some rights after a long-castle. wink

Thanks rondino, for the nice game. He played very well, indeed, after blundering the exchange in the 15th move, and never stop fighting. It paid off, as you can see.
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#3504 - 07/08/03 09:04 AM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
obi1 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/03
Loc: Belgium
Seems like Rondino's sabatical (however short) bore fruit.

Congratulations to our Canadian friend.

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#3505 - 07/08/03 10:52 AM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Anders Bengtsson Offline
Queen

Registered: 01/11/03
Loc: Göteborg, Sweden
Just a theory about the tiebreaker... If you add all your opponents cumulative score, the tiebreaker would be 37.5 at average after 5 rounds, which seems about correct when comparing with the numbers in the result table. Would love to have joined the tournament, but can't get the chess ninja software to work frown Good luck to the rest of you smile
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#3506 - 07/08/03 11:50 AM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Eddie Offline
King

Registered: 01/22/03
Loc: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
That seems right. I just made an aproximation of what would be the Sum of Opposition's Progressive Scores and got 54,5 which is pretty close to my 56.

But then, I never saw such strange method before. And strangely enough, it's not even listed in Swiss Perfect\'s Tiebreak web page (assuming this program is what Obi1 is using for the pairings)
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#3507 - 07/08/03 02:37 PM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Crumhorn Offline
Ninja

Registered: 02/26/03
Loc: Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Eddie:
Thanks rondino, for the nice game. He played very well, indeed, after blundering the exchange in the 15th move, and never stop fighting. It paid off, as you can see.
Thanks to you as well, Eddie. And thank you obi1 for the kind words. I was very lucky to win that game, however; Eddie outplayed me from the start.

I can't believe I fell for the same elementary tactic that stole my initiative in the rondino-supergrobi game (if memory serves, the positions are, from a practical standpoint, almost identical)! And this time it cost me the exchange as well. Aren't we supposed to learn from our mistakes?!

Incidentally, I'm convinced that the only reason I found the winning N sac was that I had spent the previous 13 moves desperately trying to engineer a drawing swindle along similar lines.

My apologies, Eddie, for not sticking around after the game, but I felt horrible. No sleep, upset stomach...<yuck>. If you were wondering about the long wait during the opening around move 5...well...let me use my favorite euphemism as way of explanation: I was riding the porcelain bus! frown Felt much better afterwards, mind you, albeit a little light-headed and woozy. Might account for my inability to think straight for a while, however.

Best of luck in the rest of the tournament.

rondino
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#3508 - 07/08/03 03:46 PM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Eddie Offline
King

Registered: 01/22/03
Loc: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Quote:
Originally posted by rondino:
I can't believe I fell for the same elementary tactic that stole my initiative in the rondino-supergrobi game (if memory serves, the positions are, from a practical standpoint, almost identical)!
Yeah, and I was thinking: "Who felt for that same tactic before on TONC?"

Quote:
If you were wondering about the long wait during the opening around move 5
I really thought you were sleeping...

Quote:
...well...let me use my favorite euphemism as way of explanation: I was riding the porcelain bus!
Now you just made my day even worse: I losed to a guy who was throwing up between the moves.

Maybe I'm suffering from chess burnout...
laugh
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#3509 - 07/08/03 03:55 PM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
gambit Offline
Queen

Registered: 01/30/03
Loc: zimbabwe
[Event "Friendly Game, 30m + 0s"]
[Site "Play And Watch"]
[Date "2003.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "seanx"]
[Black "obi1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B07"]
[Annotator ",Sean2"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg5 Bg7 5.f3 O-O 6.Qd2 Re8 7. O-O-O c6
8.d5 Nbd7 9.Kb1 c5 10.Bb5 a6 11.Bxd7 Bxd7 12.Rc1 b5 13.Nd1 b4
14.c4 a5 15.Ne2 Rb8 16.Ng3 Bc8 17.h4 h5 18.Nf1 Kh7 19.Nfe3 Ng8
20.g4 Nf6 21.gxh5 Nxh5 22.Nf1 Qd7 23.Qg2 Be5 24.Nf2 Nf4
25.Bxf4 Bxf4 26.Rc2 b3 27.Rc3 bxa2+ 28.Kxa2 Qb7 29.Nd3 Bh6
30. Nd2 Rh8 31 Rb3 Qc7 32.Rxb8 Qxb8 33.f4 Kg7 34.h5 Bd7
35.Rg1 Qe8 36.Nf3 Rg8 37.f5 Be3 38.Rh1 Rh8 39.hxg6 fxg6 40.Rxh8 Kxh8
41.fxg6 Kg7 42.Nh4 Qf8 43.Qg3 Bd4 44.e5 dxe5 45.Nxe5 Qb8
46.b3 Qxe5 47.Qf3 Qf6 48.Qe4 Ba1 49.Qb1 Bc3
50.Qe4 Qf2+ seanx resigns 0-1


and that was our game .... laugh
I loved every minute and second of it ninja

chess played very true to my style of chess

wink

I really look forward to our next meeting
and really wotever the score the game was very
fair and the best player won....good nervez
obi1 wink :p
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#3510 - 07/08/03 04:04 PM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
Rust In Peace Offline
Member

Registered: 03/12/03
Loc: Fischergrad (aka Chicago)
FBX-Rimfaxe is very important now.. (more so than before). In the event of a draw, Obi1 wins by default. (hopefully he doesnt pull a 9-move draw like Short did in that one tournament! eek ). If the game is decisive, Obi1 might have to share the crown if he's not careful. smile
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#3511 - 07/08/03 04:07 PM Re: Tonc ----- round 6
gambit Offline
Queen

Registered: 01/30/03
Loc: zimbabwe
I really had so much fun with my game RIP ... laugh

I think my best effort so far
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