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#52232 - 03/30/07 08:02 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
Mark Howitt Offline
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Registered: 09/21/03
Loc: Huddersfield, England
Really? Grades not up on FIDE website yet... but I heard Linares wasn't included. I guess official procedure has ruled.

It's a lesson to everyone not to believe the word of all graders wink .
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#52233 - 03/30/07 08:23 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 08/31/04
Loc: Doo-Wah-Diddy, Mississippi
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Howitt:
Really? Grades not up on FIDE website yet... but I heard Linares wasn't included. I guess official procedure has ruled.

It's a lesson to everyone not to believe the word of all graders wink .
Everybody had announced it. Chessbase, Susan Polgar, and most of the major sites. That's funny, though, to think that even after accusing Kirsan of cheating, Topalov still rates preferential treatment from him. A part of me likes that. It makes Kirsan look weak.

It hardly matters, though. We know who the top rated player is just as surely as we know who the world champion is, FIDE's games notwithstanding.
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#52234 - 03/30/07 08:44 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 09/21/03
Loc: Huddersfield, England
Still not announced on the Chessbase main page or FIDE main page.

But really... before there was nothing to announce. I didn't think Linares would be included even before it ended. Everyone, including news journalists, decided it would be. It would have been better to wait and see.

I think I would slightly prefer Anand to be top of the list rather than Topalov... but a strong performance in Sofia could see Topalov retain his place.
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#52235 - 03/30/07 09:07 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 09/21/03
Loc: Huddersfield, England
Looks like Gib wasn't included either. Seems that grading is going back to it's 'well before the deadline' policy.
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#52236 - 03/30/07 09:17 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 02/26/03
Loc: Canada
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Originally posted by Petrosianic:
That's funny, though, to think that even after accusing Kirsan of cheating, Topalov still rates preferential treatment from him.
Why would Kirsan care if Topalov was #1 on the list as opposed to Anand? Don't see how this is Kirsan's doing. Perhaps incompetence is at the heart, but I find it hard to believe that Kirsan would deliberately screw Anand in favor of Topalov.
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#52237 - 03/30/07 10:39 PM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 02/24/03
Loc: DFW, TX, USA
If Kirsan had a hand in it, this won't be the first time - few years ago when Anand was at 2795, he played a mini-match in Mexico (against Nigel Short, I think, but not positive) which was supposed to have taken his rating past 2800. When it was not included in the ratings calculations by FIDE, he went into a "funk" and his rating dropped more than 35 points in less than 6 months.

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#52238 - 03/31/07 03:15 AM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
Forrest Gump Offline
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Registered: 08/21/05
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Originally posted by PircAlert:
... Why then Petrosianic and many others say Anand was never a world champion while Kramnik is? From where do they get the divine authority??
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There are 2 statements in this.
1. Anand was never a world champion
2. Kramnik is the (world champion)

which do u find disputable?

Statement 2 is a fact. (Assumption: WC means undisputed WC) Even Anand will agree that Kramnik is the WC.

Anand was a disputed WC as much as Kramnik was one before he beat Topalov. Kramnik's classical title might have been more worthy than Anand FIDE title, that still doesn't make it undisputed.

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#52239 - 03/31/07 03:18 AM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
Forrest Gump Offline
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Registered: 08/21/05
Quote:
Originally posted by chessknight:
Anand got it because Topalov played like crap. ...
From one perspective, yes. But from the same perspective, Kramnik got it (world title) because Topalov played like crap.

We have to take a call whether this is the ideal angle to look at things.

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#52240 - 03/31/07 06:34 AM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
Mark Howitt Offline
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Registered: 09/21/03
Loc: Huddersfield, England
This quote from the DD clarifies things:

"It says there "9.13 The closing dates for receipt of information for a particular list are usually one month before the publication of that list.
9.13a Rated play completed or received after the closing date will not normally be included in the computations for the rating list in question."

So only tournaments finishing by the end of February seem to be included in the FIDE list of April."

Organizers can always take a while to submit events. Sometimes they even forget to submit them at all. I've had many situations where I've had to chase up games which should have been included in my grade- thankfully this seems to be being solved better now. But there are still instances where games have not been inlcuded.
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#52241 - 03/31/07 08:22 AM Re: Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Tournament
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Registered: 08/01/04
Loc: USA
As you can see from the past, Linares has been exempted from this rule and the norm is to include it for April list. The reason for this exemption could be due to the elite nature of the tournament or due its effect on top rankings. Any deviation from this standard now will be plain arbitrary or discriminatory, which should find no place in democracy.
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