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August 8, 2007

Like Father Like Son

Several people have sent in or pointed out in the comments that round six of the Arctic Challenge tournament in Tromsø, Norway, sees an interesting pairing. GM Magnus Carlsen, the top seed in the event, is having a rocky performance so far. In the sixth round he's down on board nine with 3.5 points. He's paired against an over-performing 2089-rated player who is having a good tournament to reach the same 3.5. That player is none other than Henrik Carlsen, Magnus's father! Countries like the USSR and its offspring regularly saw tournament encounters between strong parents and their even stronger kids. And of course the Polgars regularly faced each other. Several events even invited all three sisters. In Aruba 92 all three games between them were decisive.

So what's it going to be tomorrow in Tromsø? An easy conversion of the 600+ rating point advantage for a young GM trying to climb up the crosstable? Or a quick draw with poor old dad despite a possible resulting cut in allowance?

Posted at 20:20 | Permanent link | Tags: Arctic Challenge, Carlsen, family
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If Magnus were my son and we were paired, I would expect nothing less from him than to try to win, and I'd be disappointed if he offered a "courtesy draw."

Posted by: Greg at August 8, 2007 20:45

One teaches by example. Henrik Carlsen has instilled in his son an incredible fighting spirit. For the son NOT to come out fighting tomorrow in the sixth round would -- if I were Magnus' dad - be an insult.

The thing is the game. Here's hoping that both men play the pieces. I think they will.

Posted by: bill van benschoten at August 8, 2007 21:57

Maybe father will take an intentional loss? A draw here hurts Magnus's rating and a chance to win the tournament.

Posted by: Yuriy Kleyner at August 8, 2007 23:08

They will play normally and Magnus will win.

But, if they were to make a prearranged result, that would not be a draw. It would be the father losing (as Yuriy said)...

Posted by: derida at August 9, 2007 02:41

I don't think Magnus needs an 'agreed' win against his father :) His two 'exceptional' results so far - his two first draws - were probably due to Biel fatigue and underestimation. I hope he's learnt his lesson now! Drawing as black against GM Agdestein is quite normal, they know each other's play very well.

Posted by: Roy Brokvam at August 9, 2007 05:53

Of course they will play an agreed game. It will be a win for Magnus and a rest day for both. I think it´s ok - it´s not their fault that they get to play each other.

Posted by: Zombre at August 9, 2007 08:07

Easy win for Magnus. Not very interesting unfortunately.

Posted by: freitag at August 9, 2007 09:31

The game between the Carlsens will receive a lot of media attention in Norway. Indeed, the only reason that Magnus is playing in a modest tournament in Tromso is to better market himself in norway, where he stands a real chance of obtaining some lucrative commercial ooportunities.
Carlsen's agent and media consultant will determine the outcome of the game. Perhaps a hard fought draw between prodigy and father will burnish Magnus' public image (in Norway), in just the right way?

A meaningless win to obtain a better place in a 3rd tier chess tournament is scarcely a consideration for Carlsen, Inc. It may happen out of inertia, if for no other reason, though.

But such a result will not garner the "human interest" story angle for the evening news boradcast.

Posted by: DOug at August 9, 2007 11:01

The game between the Carlsens will receive a lot of media attention in Norway. Indeed, the only reason that Magnus is playing in a modest tournament in Tromso is to better market himself in norway, where he stands a real chance of obtaining some lucrative commercial ooportunities.
Carlsen's agent and media consultant will determine the outcome of the game. Perhaps a hard fought draw between prodigy and father will burnish Magnus' public image (in Norway), in just the right way?

A meaningless win to obtain a better place in a 3rd tier chess tournament is scarcely a consideration for Carlsen, Inc. It may happen out of inertia, if for no other reason, though.

But such a result will not garner the "human interest" story angle for the evening news boradcast.

Posted by: DOug at August 9, 2007 11:03

He's an oracle.

Posted by: playjunior at August 9, 2007 13:07

DOug, it is easy to see that you have absolutely no knowledge of Norway and the Carlsens. So many words of speculation - I don't understand why you bother.

Posted by: Appaz at August 9, 2007 13:28

When facing a superior player (say by a hundred points), would you say good knowledge of each other's chess (maybe if you are his second or just have played him a lot) favor you, him or a draw?

Posted by: Yuriy Kleyner at August 9, 2007 14:18

Father beat son!!!!

Just kidding. Magnus won.

Posted by: RS at August 9, 2007 15:48

Countries like the USSR and its offspring regularly saw tournament encounters between strong parents and their even stronger kids

Really? I was under the impression that strong parent-child pairs were quite rare(strong enough for both to gain an international title, that is. I can think of only a handful of examples, and only two where either parent or child was GM strength (the Vidmars and the Paehtzes). Master-strength siblings appear to be much more common.

Posted by: caissanist at August 9, 2007 16:21

Doug, Doug, Doug. You have no idea what you're talking about. Todays game (unfortunately) didn't make it to Norwegian Media. There is no "Carlsen Inc" that makes lot of money because of today's match. You're just talking nonsense...

Of course Magnus wouldn't go for a draw.

"Evening news broadcast". Lol. It's easy to hear that you are NOT Norwegian, and that you have never been to Norway :-)

Posted by: Per at August 9, 2007 17:25

I am sure Carlsen's just enjoyed the chance to play a game of chess. I am sure it was enjoyable for Henrik Carlsen to "feel the chess power" of his son as one usually does when going up in a serious game against a very strong force.

Posted by: DP at August 9, 2007 19:14

Reuben Fine must be turning over in his grave.

Posted by: Ashish at August 9, 2007 20:47

No I'm fine.

Posted by: Fine at August 10, 2007 03:30

I'm sure Fine is fine, since the son beating the father is quintessentially Oedipal and hence Fineish.

Posted by: Theodulf at August 10, 2007 10:28

Westerinen is Fineish.

Posted by: r at August 10, 2007 23:47
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